It pointed to them knowing something about Flavin or Serbroseph, right?
Or, again, just… ever the meta knowing person still seeking free info with prods. They did go ahead and vote CGR with us in the end.
I’m thinking that was because they saw the serbroseph thing didn’t go anywhere, and that we still needed a majority for the day.
Watching the Kraken SoT video -
Natalie says “I’m excited for this voyage with me maytees.”
I immediately think “oh shit, Natalie is a knight!”
This game has ruined me.
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Might also be worth pointing out that serbroseph was on Flavin’s list of suspicious persons as well, but I’m having a hard time looking for his reasoning why.
I have a bit of a wild theory with regards to Cody’s one investigation. This touches on something I referenced earlier around erica; this isn’t my defense of her, but it’s a thought I had when reviewing Cody’s record. I don’t think this is necessarily more likely than the serbroseph hypothesis, but just a possibility.
Cody is an experienced mafia player. They knew the terms, they knew the meta, they knew the strategy. I could not understand what possessed them to split the vote and almost drag us into a scenario where nobody died on Day 2 and Glorgu was forced to kill with limited information. Why go to such lengths to defend erica?
Well, they’re Crowbar. Crowbar can flip the card and reveal someone as Battler or Knight. What if Cody investigated erica, flipped her, and then knew that we were barking up the wrong tree by killing her? That does explain why he, despite thinking enough of Glorgu’s reasoning to go for CGR, never once voted for Erica.
Worth considering? I’m not opposed to going for serbroseph based on Cody’s record at all, this is just what I’ve been thinking about.
I’m sorry that my last few posts have been kinda thoughts-y/metagame stuff. I am happier to take concrete discussion if folks have thoughts about my accusation above.
Interesting.
That still would have resulted in a 1 and 1 trade though, right? Erica only died if Flavin was a knight. To suddenly opt, without information, to kill CGR seems… interesting? I guess it was to complete a vote, so it’s hard to read into too much. Because, again, they only knew one person’s role at that point.
It could have been Flavin, or CGR, or Erica, or other. If they knew Erica wasn’t a knight, why be down for rolling the dice on CGR, but not Flavin?
Oh no, thanks for this consideration, I could totally see this being possible as well.
Guess I’ll wait and see what serbroseph says (I see you replying down there 
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Because my parameters for killing erica were based on the flipping of Flavin, not CGR?
Yeah, I definitely realize that CDTV called me out yesterday. But I believe the first instance of doing so was to get me to speak up for being relatively inactive.
Erangels and Demons Finale: Built It. Beautiful - #322 by Cody
And later didn’t do much to push the narrative onto me at all, maybe he wasn’t trying to tip his information too early. Of course, there’s just as much evidence to suggest that he investigated a battler and just picked my name at random across all the other inactives at the time.
My thought process from day 1 has been that initial pile on to Clyde that seemingly came out of nowhere between with Erica, CGR, Flavin and Glorgu. This is consistent to my voting for Glorgu on Day 1 and voting towards Flavin/CGR day 2 after Glorgu claimed Sister Gun and no one challenged.
At this point, I was going to agree with Anime’s line of thinking in suspecting Erica. So far, she has been vocal in leading the charge against now known battlers. Her gambit to be the target of could be the biggest gambit of all as a knight, but it has the biggest payoff. So, how do we know she has not been working with the other knights to ensure Flavin did not get exiled during the day leading to her demise by Sister Gun?
It seems like CGR and Flavin were the biggest points of contention yesterday. So the way I see it the knights were trying to split the discussion and have it end in a non-majority vote and Sister Gun going against CGR or Flavin, thus protecting Erica during the night and also providing Erica a strong point of defense for the remainder of the game. To which, I’m going to implicate just_benj who started the vote for CGR yesterday for the reason of “something doesn’t sit right about them to me”. Add that to the fact that Clyde has latched onto just_benj for voting which maybe just_benj is using to their advantage. Which we could also use to implicate Clyde as well. Or it’s just Clyde being Clyde after all.
Right, but the vote for Flavin was the same random roll as the vote for CGR, right?
Vote Flavin to get that vote complete, and Flavin dies.
If knight, CGR also dies.
If not, Erica dies.
So, if Flavin was a knight, 1 knight dies, and CGR dies.
If they knew Erica was battler, if Flavin isn’t a knight, 2 townies die.
Vote for CGR to get that vote complete, and CGR dies. (Also Flavin dies, if you were to be believed.)
If knight, Flavin dies.
If not, Flavin dies.
So, if CGR was a knight, 1 knight dies, and Flavin dies.
If they knew Erica was a battler, and CGR wasn’t a knight, Flavin is a wild-card still? one dead townie?
Ok… I guess that makes some sense as a lower risk call. Just had to trot it all out.
(completely off-topic sidenote: I wonder if our deceased friends are still watching this thread and flipping tables out of frustration)
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My thinking here is that, since Glorgu said he would kill Flavin regardless, Cody didn’t want to run the risk of flipping Flavin, finding a battler, and then erica being killed. The only way to stop that would be if he came forward and revealed himself.
On the other hand, killing CGR first and then having Flavin die isn’t great, but is a loss of two unknowns, rather than (if it was an investigated erica and Flavin), the loss of a known town member and an unknown. As the cop, one of your strategies is playing a long game in which you build up a dossier of confirmed town members and use that to, by negative correlation, identify the mafia. This is, in effect, a backdoor win condition for the Town, as the cop dossier, if complete, can identify the entire allegiance of everyone, or leave only 1-2 people unidentified by the end.
I imagine Cody knew this and was trying to preserve that condition by steering us away from a scenario where Erica might be in danger.
edit: Oops! This all got worked out while I was typing this silly big post!! Ignore me!!!
Real talk, as above, this is just my speculation around this. I don’t know if it’s all that plausible or if it lifts the shroud of blame some have cast over serbroseph.
I understand the argument for Cody voting CGR to defend Erica… but I’m not convinced that said argument/logic chain is what happened. I suspect Cody would use that ability on harder to read newer people, as a veteran, and checking on people they couldn’t predict. Like myself, or Flavin, who were all over the place vote-wise day one. (Which could also explain the refusal to vote Flavin, and the attempt to truncate that process by leaning into other people’s suspicions of CGR.)
I’ll cast my vote for Erica. For now.
Just to get some spaghetti on the wall again. I’m not moving moving, just a travel day, and I should be checking in on phone and stuff, and home before today is over. Plenty of time to change the vote around.
I am still watching. I’m not frustrated at all. I’m able to get a better sense of everyone’s position since I don’t have to generate one of my own. But please don’t take this to mean anything because I don’t know shit about shit.
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I’m gonna be taking a break for now and logging out. I might not be back before the vote ends based on time, so hopefully I’ll get time to check in before the round ends and switch my vote if need be.
(P.S. 
can’t believe we’re playing PUBG zombies…)
(edit: by the way, apologies, but work in the week is probably going to keep me from making the mammoth posts I was making earlier with any real consistency – sorry about that!)
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(thanks flavin lol)
so uh…guys? I coulda sworn I just heard flavin’s voice in my head just now…Seems he’s not frustrated, so that’s good, but that could also just be my conscience trying to make me feel better.
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I was going to edit my above post with a vote I meant to cast, but it probably would have gotten lost in the shuffle. So, I’ll make it here. I’m sticking with my line of thinking and voting for Erica early.
Can we get a vote count?
I think this is right might have missed a vote between muffinsyay and robowitch.
Procedure: I’m still on mobile and yeah, I might just chill for a few hours, so I might not update much today, I’ll try to go back though and update everything when I can (for my own sake really)
I’m going to be taking a flight for work in a few hours and won’t be getting to my hotel until about eight or so hours from now. So I’ll be hopping in and out.
Real quick though, I think I’m going to make my vote for serbroseph right now. Again this is just based on a hunch and a question that’s troubling me. Did the knights get lucky with Cody, not knowing he was Crowbar? Or maybe did someone have their suspicions about him, and saw he was posing too much of a threat? If the latter, who could he be posing a threat to?
