Is John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, a sandwich?

John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, was a politician and aristocrat, bearer of the title “Earl of Sandwich”, and eponymous inventor of the sandwich. However, he is not a concoction of meat, vegetables, or cheese placed between two slices of bread. So is he a sandwich?


only when holding two pieces of bread


I would call him more of a burrito (a flesh and skin burrito), but those are also sandwiches, so yes.

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The Earl of Sandwich is undeniably a Sandwich.

he was clearly a Montagu. it’s a fine distinction but I’ve been playing a lot of Crusader Kings 2 so it is a distinction which is very much top of mind at the moment.


I can’t believe we both went for the same dang joke! Is this it? Is this the last possible sandwich joke?

I tend to go by the line of thinking that if someone offers me a sandwich and then gives me a hot dog, I’d be kind of put off. So you can conclude that a hot dog isn’t a sandwich. In the same vein, if someone offers me a sandwich and then gives me John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, I would be delighted. John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, therefore, is a sandwich.


We’ve reached peak sandwich. It’s all downhill from here.

You asked the question I never thought to—and in doing so, I hope, have finally closed the terrible comedy loop born from youthful arrogance at the forum’s point of creation that has pursued us ever since.

A glooming peace this morning brings, the sun for sorrow, will not show his head, go hence to have no more talk these sad things; Some shall be pardon’d and some punished: For never was there a story of more woe than this the story of sandwich and not a fucking sandwich


shut down the forums, no topic will be able to top this

No, he’s a Montagu. He’s the earl of sandwiches.

I think that he’s a Sandwich. Not a sandwich.

He may be the creator of the sandwich but that does not make him one. Just as god (supposedly) created humans and stil god is not a human.

I would argue he is the only sandwich.

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But his title very clearly specifies that he is the 4th Earl of Sandwich.

The other three were destroyed in the Great Munching of '92.

Is Sandwich a sandwich?