Ruined by the fans


Despite joining in on this thread, I wouldn’t say that fans outright ruin anything permanently. In my post above, I describe an experience where I was put off by Undertale–every joke and precious bit of the game was blasted all over social media to destroy its impact before I could even get hands on it–but I later came back to enjoy the game just fine.

I think that fans can make it difficult to get into something. I’m loath to post about wanting to watch a new show or play a new game that I know has a rabid fanbase, because I’m waiting for that response that is like “fuck x you need to watch y first” or “ridiculously specific thing about game that sounds like a pain in the ass but is apparently the only way to experience it”. There are people out there who will react with shock or even disgust if you get into something really late, which is exasperating (i.e. “look at all these bandwagon fans jumping on, we’ve known about this for a while”).

You can still shut fanbase feedback out, but sometimes it is that one thing that pushes me away from experiencing media at the moment. I’m just like, you know what, fuck this–not because of the thing itself, but fuck this. Hopefully I’ll come back to the thing later though.


I think I keep to pretty small Internet circles.
I don’t generally encounter much of the fans of something unless I am already a fan of the thing and am specifically looking into it. (Even then, I’m generally looking for cute fanart/gifs and try to steer clear of people’s opinions/hot takes/fan theories that are just the narrative as presented.)

Unfollow/mute awful people and get on with your life, imo.


On the topic of hats I’ll be honest in that when I see someone wearing a fedora I immediately judge them because so far everyone I have met that wears one did fit into the 4chan caricature. I’m sure there are plenty of people who can pull off a good look but my experiences have been so bad that it’s something I can’t help. As an extreme example there was a guy in my English class who never bathed, shaved, or brushed his teeth and wanted to spend every class talking to people around him about 4chan and his newest porn finds. He also wore a kilt to class on more then one occasion :face_vomiting:


The number one answer for me is Overwatch, definitely, especially since that’s one of those things where avoiding the “fanbase” (other players) is harder to do than with most media. You can’t really play the game without other people, haha. Ha. :broken_heart:


In the time since I posted this, 3 people I faught via Undead Matches in DS3 tracked down my steam account in order to shout at me in my profile comments, two of whom I never even saw(I got disconnected before I could even enter their world), and one of whom was a Nazi who wanted to gloat about how “pathetic” I was that I’d disconnected in the middle of a match(My computer had died).

So yeah, seconding that point about how much worse it is if you have to actually interact with The Shitheels.


MOBAs are maybe the only thing that rates close to this? Though it’s not just the fanbase, it’s the fact that you need to get four of these fans together to play an hour long game while you learn the ropes and get yelled at to play right and I’m like, bye forever

Which is kind of funny considering how much time I’ve put into Dwarf Fortress, but nobody was screaming at me to go bot or whatever while I was fumbling around in that game.

I often find myself loving things that are ruined for people by the fans, such as Dark Souls, Undertale, Rick and Morty (the anti-union thing hasn’t made me hate it yet), The Doors, the two or three good Sublime songs, etc.

I generally try to separate the fans from the work, unless you have to go see something live you can usually ignore them and I tend to shy away from fandoms in general.

EDIT: Well now that Dan Harmon is insulting McDonald’s employees on Twitter I’m no longer a fan of the show. It’s a shame, the show is really funny, but as 100% of the main creative team has revealed themselves to be soulless monsters who view laborers as subhuman, I can’t condone it.


EDIT: this is specifically with regards to shows, movies, music, and other media with which you interact individually. The points people are making about multiplayer games are completely valid and I totally agree with them.

I think there’s something to be said about a fan’s intensity relative to other parts of their life. Generally, it seems like the kind of person that would wield their fandom as a weapon with which to cut those who dislike their favorite thing, or who they believe stand to interfere with their favorite thing, may not have a lot of other things going for them. Seeing things this way, I try not to interpret a work through the voices of its fanbase, because what people take from a thing and what that thing means to them is the fan’s responsibility more than it is the creator’s. Like, I can’t blame Arrow’s writers when Gail Simone receives personal attacks on Twitter for knowingly, jokingly suggesting Olly and Felicity are a bad couple.

I mean I don’t think the creators are always 100% completely exempt from culpability when their work has a toxic fanbase, as there are exceptions (South Park, or worse, Sam Hyde), but generally if you’re, say, standing on the counter of a McDonald’s, screaming, “I WANT MY SZECHUAN SAUCE!!!”, the problem is not the show, it’s you.


Not technically by the fans, but “No Man’s Sky” was ruined for me. Now, since the whole thing died down, I can enjoy it.

But that’s the only example I can think of. I’m mostly don’t interact with fandoms, so I don‘t have first-hand experience with, for example, “Dark Souls” “git gud” crowd. And in that game most of the people are pretty chill, they roleplay, and know what they doing in general. Jolly cooperation was good for me, what can I say. Yes, there are people who gonna invade and kill you, but, at least in my experience, they gonna do it politely :­)

Yeap. I got this realization couple of weeks back, about “Star Trek”: it is still kinda niche, so fans still feel like they should defend it, but pretty popular, so a lot of “normal” people “get it” to dismiss or even troll fans. In the end, it is in this perfect place to be attacked and defended a lot, so it’s gets obnoxious. So it feels like most “bad” fandoms in a similar situation.

Also, this:


I think Gears of War had one of the worst fan communities. It always felt like it attracted the worst kind of people to the game. If it wasn’t for the community I would have played the game a lot more, but after hearing every racial slur and then some in a matter of minutes is a sign to just step away.


I had to stop following and going to professional football games after I had a lot of toxic fan experiences.

With games I’ve found that it’s not normally that tough to disengage from a community I don’t enjoy being a part of. It changes from game to game and situation to situation. When it came to Counter-Strike: Source, for example, I couldn’t exactly just put myself on single-player mode.


I didn’t get into Anime for years because of the stigmatization from friends that Anime fans are garbage.

The idea of even though I was buying Comics and Videos Games, Anime was just too far gone. At that point your a lost cause. Pacific Rim let me think it was ok to start watching some anime. Still though I wouldn’t dare watch any “Moe” shows because that is too far gone in the eyes of my friends.

Then I watched K-ON and that just let me be ok with watching anything if I enjoy it. I don’t know where I was going with this,. I think this was just an excuse to get the word out and recommend K-on and Pacific Rim.


Sports culture writ large. I’ve never been able to get into it. Even things like the Olympics typically leave me cold. It’s not entirely the fault of the fans, but I’d be lying if I said the entire “paint your face in your team’s colors” element of things didn’t severely limit my desire to even try. Maybe it’d be better if they didn’t have live-crowd reactions at sports arenas or if they scrapped cultures of cheerleading? It truly feels “fanatical” in a way that other media never does, though.


steven universe

literally seen ppl have their queerness called into question for being kind of ambivalent towards it lol

ive watched a few eps and like, its fine? im glad it exists esp as i have young kids in my family but its like. how the fuck does a show that mostly-harmless have such a vindictive fandom


It was a super light hearted show that takes some emotional turns later that kinda blindsighted folks.

Major fans went nuts with that and just always mention that it’s a super deep show when despite the bits of heavy stuff going on it’s just a really light hearted show.

I remember a thread where people were trying to organize a ‘correct’ watch order list just because they wanted new viewers to get to more serious episodes so they could understand why they liked the show.


There aren’t many things I previously enjoyed that I stopped enjoying because of fans. Undertale was mentioned here and I still really enjoyed it even with the very bad fans it has.

Unfortunately though I find myself just shielding myself from and not participating in fandoms nowadays. Recent examples would be Fire Emblem, Trails, and Persona. I’ve kinda just given up on participating in most online fandoms because, especially with niche stuff, it’s impossible to escape the loudest, grossest voices. So basically I just try to enjoy what I enjoy and not really look into the wider fandom.


I think it’s also important to note that right here on the Waypoint forums, you will likely be able to find helpful, reasonable fans that will tell you where to start with anything you are interested in. I’ve seen people show up to bat for all kinds of things here, and they do it thoughtfully.

Except for the people who hijacked that one thread of mine and made it about Kingdom Hearts. You know who you are.


“Simple and clean’s not the way that this thread makes me feel no more, and it’s hard to let it go!”


So a little background. This spring I got a PS4. I was finally able to play The Witcher 3, a game I’ve longed to play since it was released. It was really fun! I stumbled into the game’s subreddit to ask a really specific question and got a specific answer. It was nice, I stuck around, made some comments. Nice little community.

Rinse and repeat with Bloodborne and Dark Souls 2. Helpful, encouraging, and generally good places to talk about whatever game I was playing.

Now. They’re nice little communities now after the games have been out for a bit and the hot takes have cooled they’re mostly made of people who just enjoy playing and talking about these games.

I bought Destiny 2 the day after launch and I thought “well, I had a good experience in those other game-specific subreddits, I should check out The Destiny sub and see what’s going on there.”

And for the first three days after D2 released it was pretty good. People answered my questions, there were fun jokes, everyone was high on the game.

And then. And then … my god.

The Destiny “fans” revealed themselves to be the whiniest, entitled, self-important “fans” of anything I’ve ever seen. Not just in the subreddit either, but so many streamers and other “influencers” seem to think they know how the game should be made and Bungie is ruining Destiny and oh my god there’s nothing to grind for what am I going to spend 1300 hours working for why isn’t this game my whole life now?

Just … the worst. So the worst.*

EDIT: I got distracted and didn’t get to my main point. My main point is, if not for the fine D2 players I met here and in the Discord, I would have dropped D2 and never looked back, assuming that all fans were like the most vocal fans. The bad fandom hasn’t made me quit playing the game but it would definitely have kept me away if I’d encountered them before I bought the game.

I would also say that The Adventure Zone podcast has a pretty toxic branch of its fandom that nearly soured me on the whole enterprise.

*thankfully there aren’t many “fans” in the Waypoint D2 crowds that I’ve encountered


Well, i’m not much of a multiplayer person but reading and hearing stories of dealing with other players online has definitely made me even less of a multiplayer person, and is probably why i’ve yet to even try and break through that personal distaste and spend some money on Overwatch.


I agree entirely, just choosing not to engage with the extreme, elitist, or aggressive elements of any fanbase is totally the right move. But an interesting second problem emerges at that point, which is that as these communities grow increasingly isolated, they become more of an echo-chamber, more of a bubble, with the worst elements reinforcing each other, making it even less approachable to people just getting into whatever it happens to be. I absolutely agree that the stigma around passionate or vocal feelings about something is decidedly uncool, but I think the stigma comes from the increasingly extreme communities being the loudest voices, making the less zealous fans less likely to want to be vocal and (at least tangentially) associate themselves with the vocal crowd. Its a vicious cycle of zealous fans being vocal in really gross ways, people on social media etc. responding reasonably to how gross it seems, reasonable fans avoid being vocal because they see the negativity around the perception of the fanbase, and the zealous fans feeling the need to defend “my thing” and getting even worse. In a certain sense, responses do feed into the cycle, but I think we should also have a place to share personal negative experiences with this stuff and broadly take a more critical eye to it.