Yeah I was thinking “isn’t the Youtube Kids app and its algorithms fucked just in a different way to regular Youtube?”
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I’m much more upset about the missing carbs joke than the rest, but I still think a content warning should have been there for the rest. I couldn’t hear the part you’re describing because I was too busy thinking about what came, without warning, before.
I know Danielle did not mean it in the way it came across, I know she does not hold beliefs about the morality of food or bodies, I know that she in fact works hard to fight her biases and prevent harm from being done with her words and actions. But no one can erase the context in which these jokes and conversations happen, and the context we live in means that this joke causes harm.
If finding ways to ignore these sorts of things have helped your recovery, I am genuinely happy for you. It has not helped me, and it has not helped anyone in my family. It has, rather, contributed to relapse, exacerbated other mental illnesses, evoked past traumas, and provided cover for others to harass and shame us.
And like I said, I know this is a relatively small thing, that it is more the previously accumulated bullshit that made this so upsetting. But it still hurt, it still made the podcast harder to listen to, it was still a fuckup, and it is not unwarranted to ask that people continue to do better. Waypoint has gotten better about this stuff, but they still sometimes have blindspots with it.
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all of the ‘footballs’ used to have their own name- american football was ‘gridiron football’ soccer was ‘association football’ and rugby was… well ‘rugby football.’
then you also have canadian/australian rules, but those (like american) are more properly modifications of gridiron. its not really important (outside of people who pretend people that refer to association as ‘soccer’ are wrong, even though its actually a more accurate way of describing the sport then just saying ‘football’ for most of the english speaking word) but it is a neat look at history and how language and culture evolves over time.
and yes, its real weird to see parents posting every bit of information about their kids online. a scant few years ago, their was a trope about parents showing their kids baby pictures to a prospective date and it was portrayed as incredibly embarrassing. now many people don’t bat at an eye at posting their kids entire life online. i have an infant, who is in daycare and when we were doing the paperwork i brought up that we wont be posting pictures of her online and we would like them to try not to post pictures of her on their social media accounts (i get that it will likely happen in group shots or whatever, i asked that they didn’t tag her if it happened though.) they looked at me like i had grown a second head right there in front of them. it literally never occurred to them (and presumably any of the other parents there) that even if you ignore the privacy issues of those platforms, maybe putting a kids entire life on the internet without them getting any say in it is ethically dubious
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Hey, I wanted to ask a sincere question if you don’t mind? I guess CW for diet?.
I’m currently on a diet if you could call it that, but I’ve at least made the conscious decision to cut carbs. Coincidentally, in work people had ordered pizza and I said “I miss carbs” in full sincerity. Is there a problem with this? I don’t want to upset anybody in work without realising I’ve even misstepped.
I hope this makes sense, and doesn’t cause any grief.
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The one saving thing I think is they added a control feature recently so your child can only view videos from accounts you have approved.
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So I mean, I think the answer is that it’s complicated. The biggest problem with this joke in the podcast is that the podcast (and waypoint as a whole) is a platform, with power associated, and therefore there is I think a higher standard of responsibility than the average person going about their day has. In the situation you described, I think it comes down to how well you know the people present, whether they know about your diet and your reasons for going on it are. If I had to make some sort of call, I’d say odds are no one was badly hurt or offended – the reason it’s called diet culture after all is that it’s pervasive and most people aren’t conscious of it – but that going forward just try to be conscious of your language and your context. To think about how you may be reinforcing biases or trends you don’t want to.
That’s actually quite shocking that your care provider would be so brazen with social media.
I’m a preschool teacher, every center I’ve ever worked at, looked at or heard about has had pretty hefty restrictions on how children can be photographed and how and where those pictures can be distributed. I always understood that this was industry standard but maybe it’s just where I live.
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The Occupation is sounding great to me from a gameplay standpoint. An immersive sim that removes or modifies the kind of cliche sneak/fight/hack to save the world tropes these games have gotten themselves into? Yes please.
I do want to note that all of Austin’s complaints about there being no in-game reason to know passwords and other information was solved years ago in the brilliant indie immersive sim Consortium. In that game you are immediately told that you are a person accessing and assuming control over an actual human in another dimension and that each play through is an attempt to solve a catastrophic event. It is a totally ingenious way to frame the game since it occurs in real time and the branching pathways can be so convoluted that you can easily not solve the central murder mystery. Since that doesn’t trigger a fail state the game expects you to play its 4-5 hours a couple of times to figure out just what exactly is happening. Thinking about it, it really sounds like the The Occupation is very similar to Consortium.
the way it was presented was that the idea is to maximize the amount that parents can see their kids doing the activities during the day- it was something that was mentioned by all 3 of the places we looked at. just to be sure i wasn’t making it up i just looked them up on FB and they definitely had a lot of pictures of kids in st patricks day stuff that i could see, despite not following them or anything. to your point, i live in MA- i would have assumed we would have fairly strict regulations on this sort of thing (and this place isn’t religious or anything, so no exceptions.)
also, like i said, the woman who runs it seemed honestly surprised we had an issue with the release forms in a way that seemed sincere. she also seemed like she had never considered any of the issues with hosting pictures on platforms like FB (my default with confused relatives is that FB could sell pictures of our kid and she could end up selling cigarettes on a billboard in myanmar- totally hyperbolic, but technically a legal gray area and thus illustrative of my point) and did promise to do what they could to minimize any exposure for her online. i wouldn’t sue them because they got her in the background of a group shot or anything, i just wanted them to be aware of our concerns
I understand what you mean about the platform and some added responsibility.
With what happened today, I work with them and see them everyday, they don’t know about my diet because it’s personal and diet talk is boring.
My worry is I don’t know how I’d be re-enforcing biases or trends I shouldnt. As when I make a remark like today I’m not advocating a carb free diet for everybody.
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I think that most people would understand that you aren’t judging everyone else and are merely expressing a your own longing for something that you have made a personal choice not to partake. If there is someone in the group that you know to have struggled with weight, or for some other reason you know they would feel judged, then yeah probably don’t bring it up with no prompting. But, if people are offering you pizza or something else you can’t or won’t eat I think saying," I miss carbs," with sincerity is an OK way to go about it.
I also don’t think Danielle was off base in any way either.
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i don’t think that talking about a diet is necessarily a bad thing, but i do kind of see the phrasing as ultimately kind of a problem- saying ‘i sure do miss carbs!’ is kind of pulling a ‘holier than thou’ power move on the group.
but at the same time, our modern diet with processed foods and adding sugar to everything is really bad- there is a reason health care professionals refer to obesity as an epidemic and complications from our poor diets are always top of the causes of death for americans yearly. if someone offers you a slice of office pizza (or, even better, asks your input before they order office pizza) i don’t think you have to hide why you don’t want any, but maybe go with more of a ‘nah, i’m cutting back on the higher carb stuff’ for phrasing
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I think that being unable to discuss your own diet choices for fear of upsetting someone else who is making different diet choices is kinda ridiculous, tbh. I think it’s fine to express that you miss things. I miss carbs, and I miss cigarettes, but I decided to cut way back on one and give another up entirely, and those are personal choices I made for myself.
American culture has an incredibly toxic relationship with food and bodies in general but I don’t think that the solution to that problem is to say that you shouldn’t talk about diets and bodies, but rather to find a more positive approach. My diet choices do not affect other people and they are not an implied criticism of anyone else.
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i agree with you completely- i’m very uncomfortable with a world in which we are normalizing obesity. in the 1960’s, obesity wasn’t even something that was on the radar of health professionals and now we’re pushing toward 35+ percent of people who fall into one of the obesity categories, which means that they are at a highly enhanced risk of a myriad of painful diseases that will limit quality of life and probably lead to a shortened life. none of that is good- the issue (as you correctly point out) is that we’re doing a poor job as a society of correctly conveying the health concerns without also being judgemental.
and i think that is what i was trying to convey- framing it as ‘oh i miss carbs’ can easily come across as ‘oh, i have nobly given up carbs to make myself more healthy, as opposed to you slovenly folk who readily gobble down the fattening pizza!’ depending on how its put out there (think about the crossfit guy who is always talking about how into crossfit he is and you can probably get where my headspace is.)
the semi-jerk answer in the back of my mind in that situation is to actually rip on your coworkers for not ordering you a salad when they were doing an office lunch, but the more i think about it the more i think its a legit complaint. office lunches are supposed to be a treat for everyone. they should be making sure if anyone has specific food needs that they are being represented- especially if the company is paying. our office lunches always have a veggie option (i can’t swear to the strictest versions of vegan, but at least veggie)
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I haven’t listened yet but from the description and their E3 comments I can guess where Rob’s take will lead, and I feel shame every time I boot the game up.
A friend of mine with a young kid has mentioned this; but they specifically send email updates of all the things that have been done. To publicly show everything on Facebook is kinda wild.
I also do event work and we do a lot in schools (in the UK) and they are much more strict on this now than they used to be
